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how will the fbi be affected by this? >> makes a good point but a number of executives were coming up the rank when i was in the fbi. is there a slight chance some aspects of an investigation be affected? potentially, yes, but i have full confidence in the individuals in the fbi they're full-steam ahead. this in particular is moving forward. i find it strange. we're missing a lot of facts but i find it strange, frequently in the fbi we don't go over. in extreme circumstances ask for more resources in an investigation. usually that's done internally. it has a $10 billion budget and 36,000 employees and usually funds and resources are shifted around to enhance an investigation if it needs more resources. the reason you may go ask the department of justice to have more career attorney put on it. we have to get through the fact. it was a shot clock to the fbi and employees. the interim staff there and director and the rest of the staff in the executive level will march forward as they have done for the last 20, 30, 40 years w
how will the fbi be affected by this? >> makes a good point but a number of executives were coming up the rank when i was in the fbi. is there a slight chance some aspects of an investigation be affected? potentially, yes, but i have full confidence in the individuals in the fbi they're full-steam ahead. this in particular is moving forward. i find it strange. we're missing a lot of facts but i find it strange, frequently in the fbi we don't go over. in extreme circumstances ask for more...
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the fbi interviews them and the fbi can't keep a case open forever. we live in an open society, free society. so i mean, it will continue and i do think and a reasonably good handle on this. if we had this discussion in 2002 and i said in the next decade and a half and prediction in 9/11. we cannot wipe it out. that's not possible. >> did the american people have any agency in this conversation? >> i think they do because who -- if you're radicalized or i am radicalized, so that's the people who whether it's jihadist militants or far right people or far left, peers and family members have the most information and false politics. peers and family members are reluctant to say something when they see something but the fact is they have the most useful information. >> i was about to ask, what does that turn us into? >> that's exactly right. this is very difficult. if i'm a family member and i see one of my family members radicalizing, i have a difficult choice to say go to the fbi or organization but that family member could spend up to 20 years in prison
the fbi interviews them and the fbi can't keep a case open forever. we live in an open society, free society. so i mean, it will continue and i do think and a reasonably good handle on this. if we had this discussion in 2002 and i said in the next decade and a half and prediction in 9/11. we cannot wipe it out. that's not possible. >> did the american people have any agency in this conversation? >> i think they do because who -- if you're radicalized or i am radicalized, so that's...
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you know, he started his fbi director on september 4th, 2001. and on the morning of september 11th was actually seated in the director's office, receiving his first briefing on al qaeda and the investigation into the bombing of the uss coal, which happened a year before at that point. then received word of the unfolding terror attacks and sort of his life and the life of the fbi changed dramatically. and he led this -- very intensive transformation of the fbi from what had been a traditional domestic law enforcement agency into something that is really an international intelligence agency now. focused on counterterrorism, cyber -- counterespionage, an immense transformation of the fbi from its early days. >> now let's turn to president trump's partisans. robert mueller is pulled out of his own private practice. he's brought back into this public investigatory special counsel role, and newt gingrich said way back then robert mueller is a superb choice, he has impeccable in honesty and integrity. the media needs to calm down. you say, and obviousl
you know, he started his fbi director on september 4th, 2001. and on the morning of september 11th was actually seated in the director's office, receiving his first briefing on al qaeda and the investigation into the bombing of the uss coal, which happened a year before at that point. then received word of the unfolding terror attacks and sort of his life and the life of the fbi changed dramatically. and he led this -- very intensive transformation of the fbi from what had been a traditional...
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so i left very disquieted by what the fbi direct-- former fbi director's vision of himself was and how that's going to impact people's understanding of the agency. so it was a very disquieting day on many fronts. >> rose: what did you think. >> comey did address that to a certain extent in questioning with susan collins. he said in part of that meeting before trump was inaugurated that he felt the need to start assuring him he was not under investigation. he said that mult peel-- multiple times today that he as fbi director was president was not under investigation because he was trying to avoid entraipment, he didn't want the not think by putting this out there he was trying to hang it over his head in anyway so certainly he is entering-- but all of these interactions depends on which side of the fence you want to see it from. supporters of trump said this exonerates the president because he just said that he hoped that comey would act a certain way in the investigation, he didn't direct him, it indicated, comey indicated, fessed up to being the source of some of these reports that go
so i left very disquieted by what the fbi direct-- former fbi director's vision of himself was and how that's going to impact people's understanding of the agency. so it was a very disquieting day on many fronts. >> rose: what did you think. >> comey did address that to a certain extent in questioning with susan collins. he said in part of that meeting before trump was inaugurated that he felt the need to start assuring him he was not under investigation. he said that mult peel--...
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they just unlock that phone, get the data that the fbi needs, provide the fbi with that data without giving them the whole back-door process to the way that they actually were able to get the data from the phone? >> that is my understanding of the order. the order does not contemplate the fbi being handed over the encryption or the decryption tools or software that could act upon other phones. this is much more narrow. what the fbi is looking for, reasonably and responsibly, is the data. but this does lead us into the broader conversation. >> mm-hmm. >> sadly here, the terrorist attack is over. and where the fbi wants to be is in front of a terrorist attack the next time so it can defeat it. >> susan, play out for me this scenario that i sense you are -- you fear in response to what appears to be a reasonable court order to go after a device that was owned by a terrorist murderer. play it out. why should we, the users of cell phones, be worried that apple would have the ability to unlock a phone that is now not unlockable. >> right. so, ten years ago, before the iphone what we had wa
they just unlock that phone, get the data that the fbi needs, provide the fbi with that data without giving them the whole back-door process to the way that they actually were able to get the data from the phone? >> that is my understanding of the order. the order does not contemplate the fbi being handed over the encryption or the decryption tools or software that could act upon other phones. this is much more narrow. what the fbi is looking for, reasonably and responsibly, is the data....
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the fbi is still investigating. as long as they are doing that, these connections can't be wrapped up, how long they will keep going, on their investigations is something that nobody is saying and it really could take years. >> any evidence that president trump has begun to believe or see that this is getting in the way of the on ward movement of his own agenda and his goals for what he might do in the first 100 days? >> i mean i imagine there has to be some recognition of that by the white house but they don't seem to be acting on that information in a way that coo keep it from being an issue. just this morning the president is tweeting again this is news, the whole russian meddles story is fake news. during the testimony itself, comey said you know, the russians said there is no indication that russian hackers interfered with vote tallying. then that later became in a tweet from the white house the official presidential account, a tweet saying comey and rogers say there is no influence, no russian influence on the
the fbi is still investigating. as long as they are doing that, these connections can't be wrapped up, how long they will keep going, on their investigations is something that nobody is saying and it really could take years. >> any evidence that president trump has begun to believe or see that this is getting in the way of the on ward movement of his own agenda and his goals for what he might do in the first 100 days? >> i mean i imagine there has to be some recognition of that by...
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the fbi probe ensnared more than two dozen people. at the center of the charges, multiple crimes including bribery, drug distribution, arms trafficking, even murder for hire. shock waves are rippling throughout california. joining me now for the latest developments are nathan haverson from u.c. berkeley. melissa lagos an investigative reporter. and scott, you were at the s meeting today when the suspension decision was made. now the governor has called for all three senators to resign. what's the mood like in san francisco? >> angry, disgusted, shocked. this is the second time in go two months a state senator has been caught allegedly taking bribes from fbi agents in senate history in california no member has been suspended. today three different lawmakers suspended by their colleagues, not allowed to come back to the center leaders say until they're either cleared of their charges. leeland yi takes us to a whole different level. the conversation all year has been about one corruption issue or another whether it was ron calderon caugh
the fbi probe ensnared more than two dozen people. at the center of the charges, multiple crimes including bribery, drug distribution, arms trafficking, even murder for hire. shock waves are rippling throughout california. joining me now for the latest developments are nathan haverson from u.c. berkeley. melissa lagos an investigative reporter. and scott, you were at the s meeting today when the suspension decision was made. now the governor has called for all three senators to resign. what's...
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the fbi is making a big push to alert companies of the dangers. what is the fbi doing? >> a big push in terms of publicity to warn american companies about this spike they're seeing in corporate espionage coming from china, they say they've seen about 53% more cases this year than they did in the previous 12 months. there are hundreds of cases out there now, of chinese corporate espionage. they gave us this video. take a look this is surveillance video provided by the fbi that shows two chinese executives there on the left-hand side of your screen. the chinese thought they were going to bribe this american executive for access to glass manufacturing secrets, they hand him the cash in reality what happens at the end of this video, is fbi agents crash into this room and arrest the two chinese executives for corporate espionage. the fbi put together a training video for american executives. they've been showing it in private. take a look at this video, it's a little bit like a hollywood movie the way the fbi produces it. >> if you manufacture in china, you save on transpor
the fbi is making a big push to alert companies of the dangers. what is the fbi doing? >> a big push in terms of publicity to warn american companies about this spike they're seeing in corporate espionage coming from china, they say they've seen about 53% more cases this year than they did in the previous 12 months. there are hundreds of cases out there now, of chinese corporate espionage. they gave us this video. take a look this is surveillance video provided by the fbi that shows two...
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he was talking to fbi informants. the fbi says the operations are crucial. >> in court and austria has found three men guilty of an army base. the a trillion citizens were upset about the involvement in the wars of iraq and afghanistan. >> their between 26 and 34, guilty of conspiring to carry out terrorist acts. the basis of the prosecution case. they did secretly record these telephone conversations in the six months leading up to august of last year right across the victoria. the court has looked for approval to carry out these attacks. what was overwhelmingly apparent was the opposition to the involvement. the men in the conversations have talked about killing as many soldiers as possible at the army base and said they would fire their guns until they were killed themselves. they were sentenced early next year while the other men have been acquitted had released -- released from prison. >> the brain injury can leave many people are able to walk. a pair of robotic trousers help the patient who stand up and take ste
he was talking to fbi informants. the fbi says the operations are crucial. >> in court and austria has found three men guilty of an army base. the a trillion citizens were upset about the involvement in the wars of iraq and afghanistan. >> their between 26 and 34, guilty of conspiring to carry out terrorist acts. the basis of the prosecution case. they did secretly record these telephone conversations in the six months leading up to august of last year right across the victoria. the...
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the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i think general petraeus has acted honorably in resigning. i think he is going to do fine. he is going to get a book contract. he apparently wants to be president of princeton. he will have a year of probably giving speeches, making a lot of money. i don't feel sorry for him. >> if he wrote a book with the lady who wrote about him, paula broadwell, all in the education of david petraeus. he cooperated practically on the entire book. now he's going to write another book? >> he can write one about himself. he's not the author of this. thi
the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i...
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we are witnessing the birth of the fbi. overlay hoover and the fbi. >> one of the things that shocked me, is how lawless this country was back then. how fragile our legal institutions were. the osage, and molly burkehart, begged for justice. a great deal of corruption, in 1923, after 24 osage had been killed, a tribal resolution, known as the bureau investigation, we would later know it as the fbi to come in and investigate. this case falls to the bureau. the bureau was a rag tag operation back then. and badly bungled the case initially. they got an outlaw out of jail, thinking they will use him as an informant. he robs a bank and kills a police officer. and j. edgar hoover is worried about his power. he is worried about his security. and he eventually recruits and brings in an old field agent, tom white, to take over the case, they launch an undercover operation. what is most interesting, among those undercover operatives is a native american. they need to adopt the criminal techniqu techniques, fingerprinting, handwriting
we are witnessing the birth of the fbi. overlay hoover and the fbi. >> one of the things that shocked me, is how lawless this country was back then. how fragile our legal institutions were. the osage, and molly burkehart, begged for justice. a great deal of corruption, in 1923, after 24 osage had been killed, a tribal resolution, known as the bureau investigation, we would later know it as the fbi to come in and investigate. this case falls to the bureau. the bureau was a rag tag...
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it's the fbi. i agree with susan that basically this is a lack of coordination in all of these agencies. a lack of follow-up. something went wrong that was supposed to go right after 9/11. >> what's disturbing -- excuse me, i think we are going around the circle here. i don't think you can fault president obama on this. but you can look at maybe some of these procedures, maybe they can be tightened up. self-radicalized over the internet, which is what this appears to be. the lone wolf. this is tough to find out until -- >> don't bring these kinds of guys into the country. >> susan? >> self-radicalized over the internet until he traveled overseas doing god knows what for several months. a lot of these answers we may never get because as we were saying, they stopped the questioning at a critical moment. and it's questionable whether they should have done that. >> he was brought into the country when he was how old? six years ago? >> the 26-year-old was a teenager. >> i'm talking about the younger bro
it's the fbi. i agree with susan that basically this is a lack of coordination in all of these agencies. a lack of follow-up. something went wrong that was supposed to go right after 9/11. >> what's disturbing -- excuse me, i think we are going around the circle here. i don't think you can fault president obama on this. but you can look at maybe some of these procedures, maybe they can be tightened up. self-radicalized over the internet, which is what this appears to be. the lone wolf....
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so what kind of impact do you think this will have on the fbi and the nation? >> yesterday the announcement that former director mueller is being appointed as special counsel to look into these things is an enormously reassuring decision by the deputy attorney general. but i think there is a general sense that the checks and balances in the american political system are certainly being put to the test. and the good news is they appear to be passing the test. and that's an important message for the united states to be sending in the world, that the difference between russia and the united states is that president putin and president trump may have the same kind of authoritarian reflexes, but the institutions and the vibrancy of civil society and the tenaciousness of the american media creates a different kind of outlook in the united states than we see in russia. and that's something to be greatful for in the united states, but it requires constant vigilance and institutions like the fbi and the attorneys general and the media to continue keeping a very close, v
so what kind of impact do you think this will have on the fbi and the nation? >> yesterday the announcement that former director mueller is being appointed as special counsel to look into these things is an enormously reassuring decision by the deputy attorney general. but i think there is a general sense that the checks and balances in the american political system are certainly being put to the test. and the good news is they appear to be passing the test. and that's an important...
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e-mails raised the attention of the fbi investigators. all of this happening very, very quickly, tyler, i'm told over the past 24 hours. the fbi director making a decision to alert congress, and the public to the possibility there was a further investigation to be done here. because he clearly did not want that information coming out after the election. he didn't want it looking like the fbi was in any way hiding the fact that it was continuing to investigate hillary clinton's e-mails, tyler. >> do we know how many e-mails may be involved here? and whether any of them will be released, any time soon? >> we don't have a number of e-mails. we don't know whether they plan to release them at all. with he don't know who the e-mails are to or from and we don't ultimately know who was the owner of the device, exactly whose device was this, and whether any classified information was on it. all of that, the fbi says, they're going to investigate. but in my -- talking to my sources today, i don't get the sense we will necessarily know the answer to
e-mails raised the attention of the fbi investigators. all of this happening very, very quickly, tyler, i'm told over the past 24 hours. the fbi director making a decision to alert congress, and the public to the possibility there was a further investigation to be done here. because he clearly did not want that information coming out after the election. he didn't want it looking like the fbi was in any way hiding the fact that it was continuing to investigate hillary clinton's e-mails, tyler....
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so much talk these days about the fbi, a conversation tonight about the birth of the organization and one of first major homicide cases, the owe sage murders in the 1920s at least two dozen and perhaps as many as a few hundred members of the osage indian nation were murdered during a year long reign of terror. david graham is a staff writer for the "new yorker" magazine. he spent years researching what he calls one of the most sinister crimes in all of american history. the new book is called "killers of the flower moon." we're glad you joined us. a conversation with david graham in just a moment. >>> so please welcome joining us david grand to this program. he is with "the new yorker" magazine. he spent years researching the latest book called "killers of the flower moon: the osage murders and the birth of the fbi". the film add aptation is already in the working with de niro, dicaprio, rumored tore considered. honored to have you on the program. do you care to confirm or deny those rumors? >> i will not deny -- nor confirm. >> you don't have to confirm or deny. we are read the trays
so much talk these days about the fbi, a conversation tonight about the birth of the organization and one of first major homicide cases, the owe sage murders in the 1920s at least two dozen and perhaps as many as a few hundred members of the osage indian nation were murdered during a year long reign of terror. david graham is a staff writer for the "new yorker" magazine. he spent years researching what he calls one of the most sinister crimes in all of american history. the new book...
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that the public sentiment or approval of the fbi is reduced. so if more indictments come against the president or his team, the public reaction could not be as condemning as it probably likely would be. one other point, thuy, by the republicans referring over to the white house this classified memo, before it became public, they essentially gave the white house pieces of evidence in the russia investigation that the white house and the president they not have otherwise seen. that's important, because they're essentially allowing them now to tailor their testimony, the president or the white house counsel, around evidence that they know -- now >> well, there's so much more to discuss on this. but i can't let you go without asking you about the budget. ne deal is february 8, next thursday. democrats agreed to reopen the government after the shutdown last month with reassurance from republicans there would be good-faith negotiations on immigration. has that happened? has been made? >> negotiations are under way. i think it's reckless for us to con
that the public sentiment or approval of the fbi is reduced. so if more indictments come against the president or his team, the public reaction could not be as condemning as it probably likely would be. one other point, thuy, by the republicans referring over to the white house this classified memo, before it became public, they essentially gave the white house pieces of evidence in the russia investigation that the white house and the president they not have otherwise seen. that's important,...
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and this week he's now the former fbi director. that offends, i think, all of our senses about the independence that's supposed to exist between the president and law enforcement. our sovereignty was attacked by russia this past election. there are questions about whether any u.s. persons were involved. and the person who was leading that investigation was just fired. i think that's great cause for concern. the best way to ensure that any investigation is pure would be to have an independent prosecutor and also to have an independent commission look at how we were attacked and what reforms we can make to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> the gop controls both houses of congress as well as the presidency. what makes you think they will go along with an independent commission or a spoesecial prosecutor? >> they don't control the american people. the american people will still be heard. two-thirds of the american people before comey was fired wanted an independent commission. we have to stay loud and relevant and make sure your le
and this week he's now the former fbi director. that offends, i think, all of our senses about the independence that's supposed to exist between the president and law enforcement. our sovereignty was attacked by russia this past election. there are questions about whether any u.s. persons were involved. and the person who was leading that investigation was just fired. i think that's great cause for concern. the best way to ensure that any investigation is pure would be to have an independent...
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>> the fbi is saying nothing public about this. it's not even clear that director comey will come out and say anything publicly between now and the election. but i talked to a former fbi official today who said that technologically, they can do this in days and have what the source called a preliminary read on these e-mails and have at least a preliminary indication of what's in there. whether they will release that preliminary indication to the public between now and election day is really anybody's guess at this point. one official telling me that we are in uncharted territory here. this has simply never happened before at the fbi. >> do we have a quick count of how many e-mails they're looking at? >> we think the total universe is 650,000. that might be a meaningless number, though, because there are so many duplicates in their attachments and spam and other things. the subset that would apply here would be much, much smaller. >> eamon, thank you very much. eamon javers in washington. >>> and straight ahead, why the newest trend
>> the fbi is saying nothing public about this. it's not even clear that director comey will come out and say anything publicly between now and the election. but i talked to a former fbi official today who said that technologically, they can do this in days and have what the source called a preliminary read on these e-mails and have at least a preliminary indication of what's in there. whether they will release that preliminary indication to the public between now and election day is...
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the bankers contacted the fbi beginning last night. and then this afternoon the fbi actually took this alert down from their website. they gave us a statement just a little while ago in which they said, "we are in the process of reviewing the psa for clarity. as of this moment as i sit here right now, that psa, the alert has been removed from the fbi's website. we don't know when it's coming back up. we don't know what it's going to say. and we don't know ultimately where the fbi's going to come down in this debate between the retailers and the big banks, sue. >> ah, the story continues. something we know you'll be following for us. thank you, eamon javers in washington. >>> california's going to become the first state to divest from coal. the government signed into law a measure that requires state pension funds to drop all coal investments. and as hampton pearson tells us, it's another blow to a sector that has already fallen on hard times. >> reporter: legislation signed by california govnor jerry brown gives the state's two largest
the bankers contacted the fbi beginning last night. and then this afternoon the fbi actually took this alert down from their website. they gave us a statement just a little while ago in which they said, "we are in the process of reviewing the psa for clarity. as of this moment as i sit here right now, that psa, the alert has been removed from the fbi's website. we don't know when it's coming back up. we don't know what it's going to say. and we don't know ultimately where the fbi's going...
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robert mueller is former director of the fbi. on wednesday he was ed special counsel. he served in democratic and republican administrations. john karl enis a lawyer in private practice. before that he served as assistant attorney general fore national security and chief of staff to mueller during this time at the fbi. i am pleased to have him on this program. with just. >> thank you. >> describe the robert mueller you know. >> there's no one i have worked with in 20 years, in deposit that i admire more than bob mueller. she an american hero. he is someone who day in and day out is dedicated to the task at hand, cares about getting it light and doesn't care about the limelight. >> what is his new role as special counsel. >> in the new role he las been appointed unprovision that has rarely been used. some people will remember the independent counsel statute. that was different. at the end of the take the independent council would report to the house of representatives with their findings and recommendation of impeachment. this isn't bring reg as independent. instead, it
robert mueller is former director of the fbi. on wednesday he was ed special counsel. he served in democratic and republican administrations. john karl enis a lawyer in private practice. before that he served as assistant attorney general fore national security and chief of staff to mueller during this time at the fbi. i am pleased to have him on this program. with just. >> thank you. >> describe the robert mueller you know. >> there's no one i have worked with in 20 years, in...
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jeff sessions is in charge of the fbi. the fbi has a lot of people who are experts on russian nefarious behavior. it doesn't make -- the lack of interest is profound >> and then we have an element of disrupt between the national security establishment and the president it comes to this. can north korea be stopped and who is going to tell who what the facts are and who's going to believe what the facts are? will we wake up one morning notwithstanding all that has been done and said and it's too late? >> well, the problem, >> not to have an confrontation >> the probably is a military confrontation in this case would be a nightmare. it's also a nightmare in the case in north korea. as mark vouden writes about in the next issue coming out shortly, as he writes. that it's also a nightmare if they manage to figure out a way to deliver a nuclear weapon on a missile to the west coast of the rtainly hawaii and obviously st. japan and south korea. so something that you said prompted this thought. it's about credibility. one of the t
jeff sessions is in charge of the fbi. the fbi has a lot of people who are experts on russian nefarious behavior. it doesn't make -- the lack of interest is profound >> and then we have an element of disrupt between the national security establishment and the president it comes to this. can north korea be stopped and who is going to tell who what the facts are and who's going to believe what the facts are? will we wake up one morning notwithstanding all that has been done and said and...
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we begin this evening with fbi director jaimsz comey's testimony on capitol hill. we talk to karoun demirnlgian of "the washington post" and mike schmidt of the new york times. >> comey is usually the cool cat, very sort of even keeled but today he was much more animated. his voice was louder, he used his hands a lot more in expression. and he seemed very frustrated. and he said at one point that he's almost gnaw shus to think that he has some impact on the election. >> rose: we continue with journalist jonathan at enand amie parnes, their new book called shatter, inside the hillry clinton doomed campaign. >> we both believed on election night that she would win as much as she did and much of the country did. in the reporting and the writing of this, we had been reporting it for back since the end of 2014, even before she got in, the key for us was that we tried to report it and write it as though we didn't have any prediction of what was going to go on. and so as a result of that, we didn't have to go back and tear anything up. >> we conclude this evening with the
we begin this evening with fbi director jaimsz comey's testimony on capitol hill. we talk to karoun demirnlgian of "the washington post" and mike schmidt of the new york times. >> comey is usually the cool cat, very sort of even keeled but today he was much more animated. his voice was louder, he used his hands a lot more in expression. and he seemed very frustrated. and he said at one point that he's almost gnaw shus to think that he has some impact on the election. >>...
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agents. >> bergman: the fbi examiner determined that this fingerprint found in madrid matched a print taken from brandon mayfield when he was in the military. >> they proceeded to push through rather forcefully, to handcuff me. it was just unbelievable. it was surreal. i mean one minute you're sitting there and you've taken your kids to school and you've said, "have a good day and be a learning superstar," and you're working on your case in your office, and the next minute you're heading downtown in cuffs and people are searching you for blasting caps and detonators. >> bergman: for generations, the fbi and their fingerprint examiners have maintained that fingerprint identification is "infallible." routinely testifying that they are "one hundred percent certain"... and there's "zero percent" chance they could be wrong. >> fingerprint examiners have been taught that there's only one person in the world who could have left this fingerprint. there's no scientific basis for that. >> wait a second. there's no scientific basis for matching, like a partial fingerprint? >> the premise is that
agents. >> bergman: the fbi examiner determined that this fingerprint found in madrid matched a print taken from brandon mayfield when he was in the military. >> they proceeded to push through rather forcefully, to handcuff me. it was just unbelievable. it was surreal. i mean one minute you're sitting there and you've taken your kids to school and you've said, "have a good day and be a learning superstar," and you're working on your case in your office, and the next minute...
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now fbi director james comey says apple and google's just-announced default encryption could keep the police from capturing criminals like horn. the company says the new system will mean apple or google might not be able to fulfill a legal warrant for ak soes the a suspect's phone. the director of the fbi says that is dangerous. >> we need assistance and cooperation from companies to comply with lawful court orders so the criminals around the world cannot seek safe haven. we need to find common ground. we care about the same things. >> reporter: and the fbi director said congress may just have to force american companies to accept lower profits in the name of security. >> what we may get is to a place where the u.s., through its congress, says, you know what? we need to force this on american companies and maybe they'll take a hint. someone in another country says we sell a phone that even with lawful authority people can get into but that we as a society are willing to have american companies take that hit. >> reporter: one former federal prosecutor underscored his point saying crimi
now fbi director james comey says apple and google's just-announced default encryption could keep the police from capturing criminals like horn. the company says the new system will mean apple or google might not be able to fulfill a legal warrant for ak soes the a suspect's phone. the director of the fbi says that is dangerous. >> we need assistance and cooperation from companies to comply with lawful court orders so the criminals around the world cannot seek safe haven. we need to find...
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what did the fbi say to the court that handles these surveillance requests? i think basically we're going to find out or we should try to find out everything related to that election, and if the fbi mishandled it, if comey mishandled it, we need to know that. >> all right. let's move onto the foreign policy agenda. as you know, the national security review had this line, an america that is safe, prosperous and free at home has the will to lead abroad and i know that you know mr. abrarms that even republicans are diplomats and former officials are concerned about the trump administration sort of relink wishing ing the relationship aboard. how do you see that? do you think the state of the union address clarifies that at all? >> well, it's hard to clarify in a speech because what foreign leaders are saying is well, it was a good speech but where does it lead? is the follow through? i think there is a good deal of doubt among foreign leaders. i talked to people from asia, from eastern europe for example in the middle east about where administration is going, and
what did the fbi say to the court that handles these surveillance requests? i think basically we're going to find out or we should try to find out everything related to that election, and if the fbi mishandled it, if comey mishandled it, we need to know that. >> all right. let's move onto the foreign policy agenda. as you know, the national security review had this line, an america that is safe, prosperous and free at home has the will to lead abroad and i know that you know mr. abrarms...
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apple makes it official, formally saying it will not help the fbi, intensifying this very public fight. >>> travel bargain? not if you're flying. why fares are rising even as jet fuel costs fall. >>> president and ceo? if donald trump wins the us what can he still manage his company? the surprising answer tonight on "nightly business report" for thursday, february 25th. >> good evening and welcome. apple did exactly what it said it would. the world's most valuable public company formally opposed the court order to unlock the iphone used by one of the san bernardino terror attack shooters. apple made the argument that the government's request is "unprecedented" and violates among other things the company's first amendment rights that protect against compelled speech. on the other side of the corporate story that's capturing the world's attention is fbi director james comey who earlier today testified on capitol hill. >> i love encryption, i love priva privacy. when i hear corporations saying we're going to take you to a world where no one can look at your stuff part of me thinks, that's
apple makes it official, formally saying it will not help the fbi, intensifying this very public fight. >>> travel bargain? not if you're flying. why fares are rising even as jet fuel costs fall. >>> president and ceo? if donald trump wins the us what can he still manage his company? the surprising answer tonight on "nightly business report" for thursday, february 25th. >> good evening and welcome. apple did exactly what it said it would. the world's most...
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i'm sure st input into the fbi investigation. the fbi is probably looking at it for leads charlie when that came out i read it three times. >> all 28 pages was it. >> i don't know how many memos i don't know how many memos over a long period of time, etch memo two or three pages, it was a lot i read it three times. and i said to myself can i tell request i tell anything from this? does this tell me anything? and my answer was no i can't tell if there is anything in here that's true and i really can't tell whether there is anything in here that's false. why? why. >> because i didn't know who the sources were, chris had written source a, source b, source c. number one so i didn't know who the sources mr.. and number two, i didn't know how a source required the information. right so if you are my source, if are you my source and you give me a peeses of information you may be a very reliable source. you may tell me exactly what you know, answer my questions fully, you have beenorking for me for 20 years, right. you give me 1 percent
i'm sure st input into the fbi investigation. the fbi is probably looking at it for leads charlie when that came out i read it three times. >> all 28 pages was it. >> i don't know how many memos i don't know how many memos over a long period of time, etch memo two or three pages, it was a lot i read it three times. and i said to myself can i tell request i tell anything from this? does this tell me anything? and my answer was no i can't tell if there is anything in here that's true...
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the fbi headquarters in los angeles. there is a sense that she was unaware and not necessarily a participant. that's the general sensement but the fbi is going to probe all of those questions about her knowledge, for knowledge. any sense she might have had about either the inkling that this shooter had to carry out this crime. or any knowledge that she might have to shed light on a motive. motive still remains the greatest mystery here, charlie. and also the conduct of the kation ino itself. this man was known as a frequent gambler. some have described him as a high roller. he brought in lots of luggage. serially, bit by bit. is that normal procedure? should those things have been screut niezed nor carefully, were they not because he was a well-known, frequenter of the mandalay bay. was it because he was a high roller and got some kind of special treatment. all of these kinds of questions have yet to either be asked for fully answered. and they're part of the comprehensive investigation. not just by the fbi but by las ve
the fbi headquarters in los angeles. there is a sense that she was unaware and not necessarily a participant. that's the general sensement but the fbi is going to probe all of those questions about her knowledge, for knowledge. any sense she might have had about either the inkling that this shooter had to carry out this crime. or any knowledge that she might have to shed light on a motive. motive still remains the greatest mystery here, charlie. and also the conduct of the kation ino itself....
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rosenstein based on all of our reporting had been looking over the fbi. he had been reviewing comey's leadership. he tells the president comey hasn't been doing a good job, in his opinion. the president says to sessions and rosenstein, put that in writing. i want a mem dumb on that, get some letters. by tuesday those texts are provided to the president and he moves quickly to fire comey, but rosenstein feels based on people close to him that he was used in a way by the white house, that he was reviewing the fbi. but the president had made the decision before he connifieded with rosenstein on monday, so rosenstein, he remains deputy ag but we're told he was very unhappy with how this all played out and the white house pinned it on him. >> rose: did he meet today with the chair and cochair of the senate intelligence committee? >> he's going to keep getting called back, charlie because when i was at the capitol these lawmakers, everybody wants to hear, especially from the senate intelligence committee wa, did rosenstein say to the president on monday, what h
rosenstein based on all of our reporting had been looking over the fbi. he had been reviewing comey's leadership. he tells the president comey hasn't been doing a good job, in his opinion. the president says to sessions and rosenstein, put that in writing. i want a mem dumb on that, get some letters. by tuesday those texts are provided to the president and he moves quickly to fire comey, but rosenstein feels based on people close to him that he was used in a way by the white house, that he was...
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it depicts the behavioral science unit within the fbi. jonathan grof plays a travel agent interviewing convicted serial killers. here's a look at the trailer. >> it's not easy portraying people. it's hard work. physically and mentally i don't think people realize you need to vent. >> you + know there's a lot of more like me. >> you think so? >> 40 years ago your fbi was founded hunting down john dillinger. now we have extreme violence between strangers. >> we travel around the country and teach fbi techniques to cops. >> she was found cuffed and latched to the bed. >> what people won't do to each other. >> how can we help? >> we should be using every resource we can. >> we talk to the smartest people we kind. >> are criminals born or are they formed? >> psychopaths are convinced there's nothing wrong with them so they're virtually impossible to study. you have found near perfect laboratory conditions. that's what makes it so potentially exciting and far reaching. >> it is not our job to commiserate with these. it's our job to electrocute
it depicts the behavioral science unit within the fbi. jonathan grof plays a travel agent interviewing convicted serial killers. here's a look at the trailer. >> it's not easy portraying people. it's hard work. physically and mentally i don't think people realize you need to vent. >> you + know there's a lot of more like me. >> you think so? >> 40 years ago your fbi was founded hunting down john dillinger. now we have extreme violence between strangers. >> we...
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he had me write up a memo, we sent it to the fbi. two days later the fbi came to interview me and they said, here's what we want you to do. call him back, invite him to lunch and try to get him to tell you exactly what information he wants and how much he's willing to fay pay fpay for it. so i did and wrote up a memo and sent it in and they asked me to do it a third time, a fourth time, a fifth time which i did because it's my patriotic duty. after the fifth lunch he said, well, i've been promoted. i got my dream job. i'm going to be the number two at the japanese embassy in cairo. i said, congratulations, i shook his hand, i nef sver saw him ag. in discovery, a year later, i've been arrested, we get this tranche of tens of thousands of documents from the justice department and it turned out there never was any japanese diplomat. he was an fbi agent undercover trying to get me to commit real espionage. why? because they knew i hadn't committed espionage when i talked to abc news. and they knew that the charge was going to be thrown o
he had me write up a memo, we sent it to the fbi. two days later the fbi came to interview me and they said, here's what we want you to do. call him back, invite him to lunch and try to get him to tell you exactly what information he wants and how much he's willing to fay pay fpay for it. so i did and wrote up a memo and sent it in and they asked me to do it a third time, a fourth time, a fifth time which i did because it's my patriotic duty. after the fifth lunch he said, well, i've been...
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>> to the fbi? we have no basis to conclude she lied to the fbi. >> did she lie to the public? >> that's a question i'm not qualified to answer. i can speak about what she said to the fbi. >> reporter: and comey strongly challenged the charge hillary clinton got special treatment. >> i just want the american people to know we really did this the right way. you can disagree with us, but can you not fairly say we did it in any kind of political way. we don't carry water for anybody. >> reporter: and there's this reaction from the hillary clinton campaign. a statement says despite the partisan motivations, they are glad the hearing took place and that director comey's explanations shuts the door on any lingering conspiracy theories. for "nightly business report," i'm hampton pearson on capitol hill. >>> miss clinton's campaign may say the door is shut hon any remaining conspiracy theories, but no one thinks the case is closed. john harwood comes to us from washington tonight. so john, they think that the door is shut on this and the case is closed. is it? >> reporter: well, it's s
>> to the fbi? we have no basis to conclude she lied to the fbi. >> did she lie to the public? >> that's a question i'm not qualified to answer. i can speak about what she said to the fbi. >> reporter: and comey strongly challenged the charge hillary clinton got special treatment. >> i just want the american people to know we really did this the right way. you can disagree with us, but can you not fairly say we did it in any kind of political way. we don't carry...
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do did the fbi director and the war of words intensified. >> the fbi is not some alien force. we are imposed by the american people and use the tools given to us under the law. it's our job to tell people there is a problem. everybody should care about it. everybody should want to understand. what does that mean and what are the costs of that and how do we think about that? >> some of you may have an iphone right now. if you think about it there's probably more information stored on that device than a thief could steal by breaking into your house. the only way we know to protect that data is through strong encryptions. >> amon, how was the fbi director received on the hill today? >> he was received well. a number of the members went out of their way to praise him even though others were criticizing him. this is not one of those issues that slices and dices. it's an election year. it's likely that nothing will happen. you get the sense that some of the lawmakers would like to make law here that would overtake the 1789 act that the government is using here. have some more modern
do did the fbi director and the war of words intensified. >> the fbi is not some alien force. we are imposed by the american people and use the tools given to us under the law. it's our job to tell people there is a problem. everybody should care about it. everybody should want to understand. what does that mean and what are the costs of that and how do we think about that? >> some of you may have an iphone right now. if you think about it there's probably more information stored on...
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the fbi told him to come home. he was water boarded 83 times. >> interrogation's were used on hardin's terrorists after others had failed -- used on hardin's terrorists region o-- on hardened terrorists after others have failed. >> are you saying dick cheney lied? >> i know some information was obtained because of his techniques. some of it we got while we were on the ground over there. >> he has a book published today. the cia demanded heavy cuts. it is part of a wider attempt to control the official account of 9-11. >> in response to the allegations in this report, the cia has issued a statement saying any suggestions that the cia purposely refused to share critical lead information on the 9-11 clocks with the fbi is baseless. the suggestion that the central intelligence agency has asked for reaction is because it lacks content is ridiculous. the cia declines to comment on the record about accusations about waterboarding. >> makes sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding for this presentation was m
the fbi told him to come home. he was water boarded 83 times. >> interrogation's were used on hardin's terrorists after others had failed -- used on hardin's terrorists region o-- on hardened terrorists after others have failed. >> are you saying dick cheney lied? >> i know some information was obtained because of his techniques. some of it we got while we were on the ground over there. >> he has a book published today. the cia demanded heavy cuts. it is part of a wider...
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why did the fbi do that? >> well, as you say, isis had put out two statements using their news agency, if you will. they had distributed this on a channel called telegram, it is an encrypted application. and on twitter. and because it had begun to circulate, the fbi wanted to be clear that there is no evidence to support that. look, i think we ought to understand. isis is on their heels. they are losing territory in both iraq and syria. they are not winning. and so they're looking for positive publicity. and that's all this was. this is their attempt to turn the attention to themselves. >> glor: are you surprised the fbi did that at all. >> no, i think they did absolutely the right thing. they're not going to rule anything out. they know they searched his moment home there is this other property up north they will look at. they will take all sorts of evidence out of there. and also the hotel room. look at his cell phones and computers, if there is any connection, the fbi will identify it. but certainly as of
why did the fbi do that? >> well, as you say, isis had put out two statements using their news agency, if you will. they had distributed this on a channel called telegram, it is an encrypted application. and on twitter. and because it had begun to circulate, the fbi wanted to be clear that there is no evidence to support that. look, i think we ought to understand. isis is on their heels. they are losing territory in both iraq and syria. they are not winning. and so they're looking for...
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he saw when the fbi comes, your first instinct is to help, it's your government. he didn't have the perspective to think about -- maybe he thought that it wasn't -- he wasn't selling out ali because it was a paternalistic attitude and thought it was for ali's own good. >> the other thing but that i found fascinating, and it was something i never thought but i'm glad that you had the wisdom to actually do the research to point this out for us. everybody knows that ali was suffering from parkinson's near the end of his life. you use the technology to go back and count the number of punches that ali took in his career. what is that number? >> we counted the number of punches in his fights, professional fights. we extrapolate it from that to look at how many rounds of sparring he did, how many exhibition, how many fights as an amateur, and he was hit probably 200,000 times. >> 200,000 punches in his career. >> yeah. and he would tell his sparring partners to hit him in the head. he would concentrate on that. he thought if you got hit in the head enough that it would b
he saw when the fbi comes, your first instinct is to help, it's your government. he didn't have the perspective to think about -- maybe he thought that it wasn't -- he wasn't selling out ali because it was a paternalistic attitude and thought it was for ali's own good. >> the other thing but that i found fascinating, and it was something i never thought but i'm glad that you had the wisdom to actually do the research to point this out for us. everybody knows that ali was suffering from...
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has called in the fbi to help investigate. a french woman has admitted secretly killing her eight newborn babies over a period of 18 years. she said her husband knew nothing about the pregnancies or the killing. britain's prime minister, david cameron, has echoed hamid karzai's call for greater action against terrorists in pakistan. his comments came during his trip to india and he defended them, saying more needs to be done to crack down on the insurgents. pakistan's officials say they are dealing with the threat. our world officials editor says those in pakistan still face suicide bombings. >> pakistan does not have just one group of taliban to deal with. it's got to separate ones -- a home grown version and an afghan version, both operating on the territory. the army has clamped down hard on the pakistan the telegram, -- the pakistani taliban. the crackdown is succeeding although peshawar is still dangerous. i used to wander around here on my own without any problem. now most people locally say we should not stay in one pla
has called in the fbi to help investigate. a french woman has admitted secretly killing her eight newborn babies over a period of 18 years. she said her husband knew nothing about the pregnancies or the killing. britain's prime minister, david cameron, has echoed hamid karzai's call for greater action against terrorists in pakistan. his comments came during his trip to india and he defended them, saying more needs to be done to crack down on the insurgents. pakistan's officials say they are...
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silicon valley might say hey, we know a lot more about technology than even the fbi does. but law enforcement feels this is an absolute must have piece of access in order to get into these communications in a modern day and age where terrorists can strike very quickly. they want to be able to respond as fast as the terrorists are able to communicate. law enforcement wants to be able to get those communications. and this is just a fundamental debate in this country when you talk about the business concerns silicon valley has the fbi and others will say ultimately there's a cost of doing business in the united states of america and this maybe one of those costs. >> mr. wiesner, have you given some thought, and i'm sure you have, as to what might be the best approach at this juncture, given what we have seen happen in paris and given what we just saw happen in mali today, what would your best advicing, that perhaps is a middle ground between the privacy and security or the security and security argument? >> well, look, the events in paris and in mali are terrible and everyone
silicon valley might say hey, we know a lot more about technology than even the fbi does. but law enforcement feels this is an absolute must have piece of access in order to get into these communications in a modern day and age where terrorists can strike very quickly. they want to be able to respond as fast as the terrorists are able to communicate. law enforcement wants to be able to get those communications. and this is just a fundamental debate in this country when you talk about the...
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nunes said that was to make room for the fbi and nsa director to come back to capitol hill and talk to committee members behind closed doors and that was never scheduled either so it's ab and people aren't sure how long the pause is going it last. >> charlie: what's happened to the credibility of the committee? >> it's taken a hit in other parts of the congress. you've seen most republicans in the senate do not want to say one thing or want to comment and you heard john mccain saying it's time to put this to a committee or independent commission because congress has shown it can't do its job itself anymore. there's a lot of faith in the senate intelligence committee and in the fbi process as well though there are criticism of the fbi director and how forthcoming he's being with information though most were pleased with his open hearing the house committee held to grill him and the nsa on issues. clearly there's a lot of discord in the house among the committee and leaders and everybody surrounding that. clearly there's a lot of looking ascant from across the capitol and the community i
nunes said that was to make room for the fbi and nsa director to come back to capitol hill and talk to committee members behind closed doors and that was never scheduled either so it's ab and people aren't sure how long the pause is going it last. >> charlie: what's happened to the credibility of the committee? >> it's taken a hit in other parts of the congress. you've seen most republicans in the senate do not want to say one thing or want to comment and you heard john mccain...
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people have to understand, this russia investigation is just beginning. >> fbi investigation. >> fbi investigation sum plemented by our intelligence agencies and the information that they gather and it's powerful. as we saw in the case of flynn's contacts, there's real evidence. there are transcripts of conversations that are lawfully collected and those are going to power what congress and fbi does. >> and the stories which again talked about these reports about a connection between some people associated with trump and the russians and the hacking, unverified also non-frivolous stories suggested there were surveillance tapes of some conversations also which i think underscores your point that this is first of all to call big deals to under the case. it has implications that are extraordinary david and there's an awful lot we have to learn. >> just to say one more word about this. i believe the fbi is continuing to investigate several associates of trump's prominently paul manafort for a time was his campaign manager. possible legal issues that arise. that's ongoing and ut's explosi
people have to understand, this russia investigation is just beginning. >> fbi investigation. >> fbi investigation sum plemented by our intelligence agencies and the information that they gather and it's powerful. as we saw in the case of flynn's contacts, there's real evidence. there are transcripts of conversations that are lawfully collected and those are going to power what congress and fbi does. >> and the stories which again talked about these reports about a connection...
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that could give jurisdiction to the fbi, who are now investigating. it could potentially open the door to prosecutions under u.s. federal wiretap laws if the allegations are proved. i understand from a source close to the investigation that fbi agents would like, if possible, to speak to him. they would buy to contact his representatives. they have spoken to his publicist, which said that he has no intention of speaking publicly at all at this stage. but he adds to the scope of the investigation here in the u.s. the fbi is already looking into claims that reporters from the news of the world attempted to access the phones of people who died on 9/11, a very dramatic claim. rupert murdoch was at the british parliamentary hearing on tuesday and categorically denied that claim. he said there was no evidence to support any sort of hiking here in the united states. -- hacking here in the united states. >> a heat wave across central and eastern parts of the u.s. is being blamed for causing as many as 22 deaths, with temperatures rising to 42 degrees centigra
that could give jurisdiction to the fbi, who are now investigating. it could potentially open the door to prosecutions under u.s. federal wiretap laws if the allegations are proved. i understand from a source close to the investigation that fbi agents would like, if possible, to speak to him. they would buy to contact his representatives. they have spoken to his publicist, which said that he has no intention of speaking publicly at all at this stage. but he adds to the scope of the...
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we are not ready to do that at this time, but the fbi is focused in on this. i have to say, it is hard for me to understand how anybody could sanction doing some of the things they reportedly did. when you look at that little girl's murder in your country and what is reported to have happened there, the possible hacking over here, the possible hacking of phones of families who lost soldiers in afghanistan and iraq, british families, it takes my breath away. >> if indeed the executives are found guilty of involvement in any of these things, what are the sanctions that you could impose on your side of the atlantic? >> right now, many things. there are two laws that come into play. this is a public corporation. they sell shares. if they hid payments, bribery payments, from shareholders, that is a whole other civil penalty. if they hacked into phones without a warrant, that is criminal. the foreign corrupt practices act could be civil or criminal. lots could happen. and the security and exchange commission has the ability to take away the license from a media corp
we are not ready to do that at this time, but the fbi is focused in on this. i have to say, it is hard for me to understand how anybody could sanction doing some of the things they reportedly did. when you look at that little girl's murder in your country and what is reported to have happened there, the possible hacking over here, the possible hacking of phones of families who lost soldiers in afghanistan and iraq, british families, it takes my breath away. >> if indeed the executives are...
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bay area is one of the hot spots according to the fbi a dozen children were rescued. and 20 were arrested in the bay area. based on your supporting. why is it such a hot spot for this stuff. >> a play like the bay area that attracts tourism, has big events. you see it spikes here. you know it is modern day slavery. characterized in what we saw. kids rescued over the weekend by the fbi bust. these are kids, average age, 12, 13, 14 years old. they are born in the u.s. they're, they are kids who have come through largely the -- the child welfare system. this is the kind of -- a thing that people become aware of this problem. they are seeing it not something that happened some where else. it happened in our city. and fascinating. how are the girls targeting. you went to the child welfare system. >> what we are learning now. statistics are any given day, 300,000 kids are at risk of becoming victims of child sex trafficking now. the child welfare system. kids who are already from, abused, neglected homes. kids who have been taken by cps out of the home. put into coster care
bay area is one of the hot spots according to the fbi a dozen children were rescued. and 20 were arrested in the bay area. based on your supporting. why is it such a hot spot for this stuff. >> a play like the bay area that attracts tourism, has big events. you see it spikes here. you know it is modern day slavery. characterized in what we saw. kids rescued over the weekend by the fbi bust. these are kids, average age, 12, 13, 14 years old. they are born in the u.s. they're, they are kids...